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In a message dated 3/7/2002 12:45:33 PM Eastern Standard Time,
a.hultman@… writes:
<< …nutritious pasteurized grade “A” milk viciously sucked out of a
freak-cow shot up with antibiotics and growth hormones and lactation
provoking hormones fed a diet
high in grains and “reclaimed” downer cattle ground mush …
Let me first say that I exclude dairy ever since I detoxed on this diet years
ago. Every time I “experimented” and consumed a milk product, it was amazing
how bad I felt.
That being said, I must comment about the freak-cows. In my youth, I used to
hire out to dairy farms. Indentured servant comes to mind but it was good,
physical labor. Farmers only give up money at gunpoint. The only abuse I
ever saw with the dairy cattle was that they had to WALK to the pastures in
the morning and WALK back every evening. Bummer! We even would go out
sometimes and “talk” calmly to them in the late afternoon as we walked slowly
(so as not to damage any udders) behind them to gently coax them along to the
air conditioned barn with the piped in elevator music. Many farmers didn’t
even have air conditioning in their houses but the cows always came first.
Each cow would walk directly to “her” stall, in turn, to be milked and get a
treat of fresh hay to eat. There was a self imposed pecking order and they
would patiently wait their turn. They enjoyed being milked and would get
impatient if you were behind in the routine or gave them a little less hay.
As they backed out of their stall to disrupt everything, they’d give you a
look as if to say “rookie, more hay and I’ll come back in”. The farmer whose
can just got knocked over would look at you with the “you don’t give milk and
could be replaced” expression. The by word was always to be gentle and the
farmers always talked about their “girls” in loving tones. We got more milk
that way.
The only medicating I ever saw was when the vet came out once a year and gave
them a shot for parasites etc. Every so often we fed them grain pellets with
minerals etc. Again, remember the watch words farmer and gunpoint.
Of course, this was the world in the middle 60s. I can’t speak for today but
I will say that almost any change in feed or cow attitude like being chased
by dogs or being handled badly can contaminate or change the taste of the
milk and the milk company will throw it out in a heartbeat. Wherever they
are today, I’ll bet they’re still “girls” and treated better by the farmer
than he treats his wife.
Max
September 17th, 2005 at 2:29 am
*Hey hey there Madd Viking! Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa! Ugh…*
In a message dated 3/7/2002 12:45:33 PM Eastern Standard Time,
a.hultman@… writes:
<< …nutritious pasteurized grade “A” milk viciously sucked out of a
freak-cow shot up with antibiotics and growth hormones and lactation
provoking hormones fed a diet
high in grains and “reclaimed” downer cattle ground mush …
Let me first say that I exclude dairy ever since I detoxed on this diet
years
ago. Every time I “experimented” and consumed a milk product, it was
amazing
how bad I felt.
*Good for you, I expressed my exasperation at the dairy question, it
disturbs me how often the simple questions that are answered adequately in
the published books by the originator of this diet are repeatedly asked in
this and other BTD groups. Is there a virus that destroys memories? Is this
another silent epidemic?*
*More of me below your excruciatingly long post… j/k*
That being said, I must comment about the freak-cows. In my youth, I used
to
hire out to dairy farms. Indentured servant comes to mind but it was good,
physical labor. Farmers only give up money at gunpoint. The only abuse I
ever saw with the dairy cattle was that they had to WALK to the pastures in
the morning and WALK back every evening. Bummer! We even would go out
sometimes and “talk” calmly to them in the late afternoon as we walked
slowly
(so as not to damage any udders) behind them to gently coax them along to
the
air conditioned barn with the piped in elevator music. Many farmers didn’t
even have air conditioning in their houses but the cows always came first.
Each cow would walk directly to “her” stall, in turn, to be milked and get a
treat of fresh hay to eat. There was a self imposed pecking order and they
would patiently wait their turn. They enjoyed being milked and would get
impatient if you were behind in the routine or gave them a little less hay.
As they backed out of their stall to disrupt everything, they’d give you a
look as if to say “rookie, more hay and I’ll come back in”. The farmer
whose
can just got knocked over would look at you with the “you don’t give milk
and
could be replaced” expression. The by word was always to be gentle and the
farmers always talked about their “girls” in loving tones. We got more milk
that way.
The only medicating I ever saw was when the vet came out once a year and
gave
them a shot for parasites etc. Every so often we fed them grain pellets
with
minerals etc. Again, remember the watch words farmer and gunpoint.
Of course, this was the world in the middle 60s. I can’t speak for today
but
I will say that almost any change in feed or cow attitude like being chased
by dogs or being handled badly can contaminate or change the taste of the
milk and the milk company will throw it out in a heartbeat. Wherever they
are today, I’ll bet they’re still “girls” and treated better by the farmer
than he treats his wife.
Max
*Well, gee, that’s a nice story, nice to hear… and yes, that WAS the
60s… there are still smaller farms that produce milk from their cows
non-intensively. But if you go to today’s supermarkets, convenience stores,
gas stations, etc. the VAST majority of the milk guzzled down by the
increasingly HUGE human populace is made from cows who are specially bred
with overactive pituitary glands (I think that’s the gland)… they are
abnormal. These cows are raised in far less friendly environments, they
(dairy cows) get little exercise, actually, a number of dairy “plants” have
devised a wonderful time-saving method of managing their dairy cows:
keeping them penned up in cages with wheels attached to the bottom, this way
they can scoot around the biological milk machine to the
electronic-mechanical milk sucking machine (I’d rather do the raw milk
pasture fantasy IMSO*), this enables the milk producers unprecedented
control over their biological milk machines and saves time and probably
money, as the less physical exertion the cows engage in the more energy they
can devote to being hooked up to those vacuum pumps to extract the most milk
they can. Grass-fed dairy cows get to live 2-3 times longer than many of
these commercial dairy cows in todays dairy factory. They are also routinely
injected with antibiotics as their abnormally large and abnormally chafed
udders often get infected (pus is also present in the milk, got pus?), let’s
not forget that it isn’t just the machines sucking the freakin’ life out of
these freak cows, but also that they aren’t allowed to be cows, not all of
them are in rollable cages but do you really think the modern dairy
factories would let their investments expend calories doing unnecessary
things such as walking around and grazing and socializing? That’s a waste of
money! They could be hooked up to a pump getting the milk sucked out of the
marrow of their bones! Ruminants fed incorrect diets get more diseases…
ruminants under the constant drain of excessive milk sucking machines also
tend to get ill more often… antibiotics are clearly called for. And hey,
growth hormones increase milk yield! This isn’t 1963, buddy. And it sure
ain’t 961 either, my madd viking buddy! For today is March 7th of the year
2002, C.E. and we are in BIG TROUBLE. Let go of the oar, drop the axe and
armor, you need to pillage yourself some reading glasses and read up on the
modern corporate mega-conglomerates and their farming methods, “Madd
Viking”. DO IT! NOW! The thunder gods are angry! From the brief and
unreferenced examples I have provided you can probably tell that they don’t
have to cater to any bovines to illicit a flow of milk, as for taste doesn’t
pasteurization and all the neato chemicals they can put into (plus vitamins
and minerals…) the milk these days enable the milk corporations the
freedom to doctor up the taste as they see fit? That was my impression.*
* In My Sick Opinion
My favorite self-quote for today is: “Got pus?”
Axel O+ secretor not eating any dairy, even though I secrete. ‘Cept butter.
September 17th, 2005 at 2:59 pm
In a message dated 3/7/2002 9:33:48 PM Eastern Standard Time,
a.hultman@… writes:
<< They are also routinely
injected with antibiotics as their abnormally large and abnormally chafed
udders often get infected (pus is also present in the milk, got pus?), let’s
not forget that it isn’t just the machines sucking the freakin’ life out of
these freak cows, but also that they aren’t allowed to be cows, not all of
them are in rollable cages but do you really think the modern dairy
factories would let their investments expend calories doing unnecessary
things such as walking around and grazing and socializing?
Those poor type Bs. Hope they’re pus compatible.
Max
September 18th, 2005 at 10:23 am
In a message dated 3/8/2002 5:14:19 AM Eastern Standard Time,
shamrockgreen7@… writes:
I understand it completely Alex. It is just that maybe some of us are not
quite as fanatical about this blood-type diet as others. I have been around
many years and have made it 3 scores without health problems, so I don’t feel
I need to be too fanatical. If I like it, I do it.
Sharon (Ontario) Canada